Frontier Paintball Updates

[Guppy]

Topic has been split, so i guess i'm ok to post here on previous subject?

Trust me we are not about alienating anyone. I can take personal criticism but my concern was that i was immediately created a bad impression with you guys because i'd pointed out that we don't allow own markers.

Guys, i have to be honest and say yes, we ARE about money because we are a business BUT we're not ALL about the money as many of us are from a paintball background and are interested in the development of the sport...our MD is a campaign Cup winner - he was out on the fields at Bray last weekend marshalling every game with me. We're well into paintball as a game/sport as well as running rental games for profit. For a couple of season i wrote reports for our local newspaper and BBC website for our team's tournaments, and articles occasionally for PBUK magazine...i love the game!

I'm sure once we sus out the irish laws re marker ownership (and i'd love you guys to point me in the right direction for this) then we will open up to players with their own equipment, but 8 weeks after opening we aren't ready for it. The points made above about capping rof and limiting to semi only is a very valid point and it would make the game a more skilful and balanced one, but my point is that, at the present time we haven't the equipment necessary to monitor bps (obviously we have a chrony for fps) and we haven't got marshals at Bray experienced enough to measure bps / fps and who will realise when someone is pushing these limits. The marshals are on the whole young and new and they need a while to learn. They need to gain confidence and take control of the game and we're working with them on this.

I love the idea of a scenario! ..don't you guys have these in Ireland? (pardon my ignorance, i'm new...) I'm just about to leave for Leeds for the UKPSF Staargate/Staarwars scenario tomorrow. I arranged a small scenario game for 100 players last Christmas so maybe this is something we can get off the ground at Bray - but i'm thinking at least a year away. I have a lot of research to do first!

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[fishtastico]

fair enough. we understand. it was just a dissapointment

[eoin99]

fair enough. we understand. it was just a dissapointment

Agreed, I think most of the guys here overreacted through dissapointment more than anything else. I have to say as well I am impressed that you managed to keep a proffessional composure through the critisism. I'm sure it'll still be a good day out, but its understandable people being dissapointed that there 200-1200 Euro marker has to sit at home while they shoot rentals thats all.

[Guppy]

Yes, i do understand your disappointment, sorry about having to leave your markers at home.... However ours ARE very nice new shiney rentals

You could always look on it as a training exercise - my team occasionally trained with Infernos and even pumps, although we all had Egos, Timmys and other high-end markers..kind of back to basics approach, made you use your skills rather than your markers' skills

How do you guys get round the stocks ruling? Do you have to have these fitted to your own markers and if not, how do you get exemption?

[Mark K]

hey guys mark here just to let ye kno ill prob b marshalling with you guys next wknd some of you might kno me from crossfire where i used to work or from the DIT team that won the intervarsities. ... i kno its crap that at this time we cant use privately owned markers but from what i know about the irish paintballing scene is that not many places will let you use them.. except of course barrage but i am unsure of the legality of this.. as an owner of a marker i kno that it feels like a such a waste leaving your (in most cases) expensive marker at home but at this time markers are classed as a ballistic weapon as it can break the skin.. . this is to say the least a frustating law that needs to be changed and from talking to some key irish paintball people that have tried to get the law changed - it is some years away from happening --- so dont hold your breath..

Frontier has only been open for about 6 weeks now and has been visited by the gardai as many times so the chances of sneaking in 10 odd markers would be of great risk and little gain to the company...

the markers we have are brand new out of the box and in some cases only used about 5 times.. each markers is cared for like each one is our own and strictly checked...

hpa is used and after each game marshalls fill every marker to 3000 psi...

its hard to sound impartial when i work for the company but trust me when i say you guys will be looked after...

[SliceNDice]

from talking to some key irish paintball people that have tried to get the law changed - it is some years away from happening --- so dont hold your breath..

who are these "key irish paintball people" you speak of?

[The Outlaw]

from talking to some key irish paintball people that have tried to get the law changed - it is some years away from happening --- so dont hold your breath..

who are these "key irish paintball people" you speak of?

Totally agree with Slice on that one. The important people trying to change the Law are the IPPA and its members. Did you mean the IPPA and members are not important or do you mean you were speaking to high government official's who would'nt know the difference between a chicken and a Tippmann A-5.

If you are going to say something Mark, it is better to say it in full or not at all. becuase it sounds like you are trying to make excuses for something that Guppy has already explained quite well on her own,.

[fishtastico]

official's who would'nt know the difference between a chicken and a Tippmann A-5.

in case any are reading: the chicken's the one without the cyclone feed. might be able to upgrade though

[The Outlaw]

LOL Nice one fish. hehe add on cyclone for a chicken hehehe

[fishtastico]

ah, i think the poor ould frontier people are getting a hard time. i always want an opportunity to use my marker, and especially after it's been upgraded, but i'd say they're still trying to sort stuff out, being such a new site. i know crossfire have had the gards down on them for allowing own markers on site, and i'd say it's hard enough setting up a new business without that hassle. that said, i hope they'll work to accomodate our gear in future, and i'm VERY interested to hear who these "key irish paintball people" are...

[Mark K]

no of course im not saying the IPPA is not important, the key people i talk of are owners of various paintball sites some of which have been open 15 years and in the case of crossfire i know that its owner has been lobying since then for a change in laws... seriously trying for years in and out of court.....

[The Outlaw]

The issue with Crossfire was a polish guy had an unregistered marker and when asked to supply his authorisation could not do it. as a result the marker was taken and he complained to crossfire, as a result they banned the markers,.

Its understandable new marshals are not going to be able to check bps ect but it is alittle confusing to here (and Thankyou Guppy for your explanations on everything.)

But as guppy is Marks boss its funny that he has sponken to high people looking to change the law when most people in high places dont even know there is an issue. Except for us.

[Mark K]

when i said key people -- i meant the main people that have been there trying to change the law (in the past)>> as we know it is not a new issue that private markers are not allowed...

Guppy however is a senior to me but not my direct boss who lives here in ireland.. she would be used to her laws in the UK where she is from.. privately owned markers are not such an issue there. i have been marshalling for just over 4 years and as i havnt been campaigning for a change in laws i have spoken to people who have and who have had no success...

[The Outlaw]

Again Mark , Who have you been talking to ?

I understand what you are saying but you are being very vague.

[Guppy]

The reason Mark will know more on this issue than me, i suspect , is because he has lived, played and marshalled in Ireland for years. He came to us as an experienced marshal from another site.

I'm based in the UK and up until recently i have been involved with UK marker law issues, not Irish ones - tho that is changing...

I suspect Mark has followed this issue closely as a player long before I came on the scene in Ireland.

BTW, i'm not the manager of the centre in Bray, that is a very nice man called Michael. I am in charge of markers / paintballs/ HPA / marshal training and making sure the centre gets supplies of everything it needs.

EDIT: haha! I see Mark was busy replying at the same time as me...great minds think alike

[Mark K]

the owners of crossfire had a good go of it a few years ago.... ive had some nice long convos bout it tryin to be all optimistic saying it could change.. bob (one of the owners) campaigned for a change in laws he didnt get very far.... but hopefully with a more dedicated group (IPPA) there will be a change in the near future

[The Outlaw]

the owners of crossfire had a good go of it a few years ago.... ive had some nice long convos bout it tryin to be all optimistic saying it could change.. bob (one of the owners) campaigned for a change in laws he didnt get very far.... but hopefully with a more dedicated group (IPPA) there will be a change in the near future

Haha, See mark that wasnt so hard. Im not getting at you or anything, Its just when sombody says some thing then its good to back it up with examples. Otherwise its just like saying I did this and that (but not doing anything) BTW welcome to the club lol ., Forgot to welcome you earlier.

[Mark K]

I kno that but sometimes ye can get in trouble for naming names...

[Charlie]

Hey Mark....ya paintball nerd...tunring to the dark side slowly.

Lads, Mark is a good man. Very good marshall and accepts beer as a tip at the end of the day

[Mark K]

I kno lol... maybe its just a phase im goin through, i heard once ye sign up to paintballer theres no goin back...
cheers charlie.

and yess will accept beer for most things really